...And scientistic hubris, like all forms of hubris, is obnoxious.
28/06/2013, 19:50
Well, .......no.
Theology is like looking for a black cat in a dark room and developing the strength of faith to keep looking when others tell you it isn't there - despite their utter lack of evidence to support this assertion.
Theology is like looking for a black cat in a dark room and developing the strength of faith to keep looking when others tell you it isn't there - despite their utter lack of evidence to support this assertion.
So what?
That would be an *honest* theologian. The other kind - which is most of them - claim to have found it, and then scream "oppression!" when anyone challenges them to produce so much as a shred of fur.
There is a slightly more honest kind who will claim to have found the cat but, upon being challenged, will admit that they haven't *really* found it, they were just saying that to encourage themselves. Those kind are actually worth talking to.
Also, claiming that the cat isn't there is not, properly speaking, an assertion. It is a statement of the null hypothesis. The burden of proof is on the person asserting that something exists, not on the person questioning its existence. In the absence of such proof, the logical conclusion is for non-existence.
Also, claiming that the cat isn't there is not, properly speaking, an assertion. It is a statement of the null hypothesis. The burden of proof is on the person asserting that something exists, not on the person questioning its existence. In the absence of such proof, the logical conclusion is for non-existence.
Theology is like a pretentious hipster in a darkroom telling you there is a black cat, but you've probably never seen it before. Despite their utter lack of evidence.
Enlightenment is like being in a darkroom and waiting for the black cat to come to you or not and not letting the result affect the way you live. Besides, no cat is going to willingly go to the idiot stumbling in the dark looking for it.
Enlightenment is like being in a darkroom and waiting for the black cat to come to you or not and not letting the result affect the way you live. Besides, no cat is going to willingly go to the idiot stumbling in the dark looking for it.
Enlightenment is actually leaving the other guy alone. And if you're enlightened, why sit around waiting for the cat - your words - when you know it won't come to you? If it's important to you, you seek out the cat. If it's not, you don't. Simple.
You can say "god" if you want. That's one of the 2-bit words that is repeated so endlessly that it takes on a reality of it's own. What is the referent for the word "god"? The word is not the thing. If you ask 100 people what "god" is you get 100 attributes. Therefore it is meaningless.
I think you meant "how can it be meaningless"? Not meaningful. Words are like money. If you have say $100 in American currency and try and spend it in say Russia, you have a problem. In order for the currency to have value both parties to a transaction must have agreement that the currency has the same meaning + value.
Too many people fail to challenge the words being exchanged and assume they have the same values to both people.
Too many people fail to challenge the words being exchanged and assume they have the same values to both people.
you right, I meant meaningless. but here we're talking about the differences between countries, between cultures, right? I don't tnink money is a good example, cause we all know that there exist currency rates. DOn't think that I'm not stubborn, I respect you're opinion, just an interesting theme to talk about:) and you sound sophisticated :)
I think money is a good analogy because while it's difference are between cultures you can have the same problem between just 2 people having a conversation. I am a student of semantics + linguistics.
If subjective words have totally different meaning or images between people they are not truly communicating. Don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion too :)
If subjective words have totally different meaning or images between people they are not truly communicating. Don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion too :)
you right, I meant meaningless. but here we're talking about the differences between countries, between cultures, right? I don't tnink money is a good example, cause we all know that there exist currency rates. DOn't think that I'm not stubborn, I respect you're opinion, just an interesting theme to talk about:) and you sound sophisticated :)
Theology, I think, is about believing th cat is there. And a believe is not a religion per se, but neither is theology. It's a study of believe.
So phylosophy is bout exploring all the possibilities of believing, metphysics about believing the unbelieveble, theology about just believing and science is the only physical search for what there is to believe. And to ever wich effect, we are all equally blind untill we start believing what ever group we do not belong to.
So phylosophy is bout exploring all the possibilities of believing, metphysics about believing the unbelieveble, theology about just believing and science is the only physical search for what there is to believe. And to ever wich effect, we are all equally blind untill we start believing what ever group we do not belong to.
and all these sciences are connected at one point for sure: they ponder over something that you CANNOT see, so I think that they are sooo subjective (i mean metaphysics and theology). 'Theology is about just beleiving, ok I agree but every person believes in different things, so can we call it a science?
All four pursuits are an expression of curiosity about the nature of the dark room. And all four have similar ways to describe it and its contents - including the cat - but they all use different metaphors to do so that are hard for proponents of the other groups to accept. Each can be helpful to the others, but dogma restricts their ability to come together and learn. Someday a more advanced species than us will arise and will have the capacity to peer deeper into reality using a combination of philosophy (which includes metaphysics and theology) and science. We are clearly not highly evolved enough to do so, and most of the comments here reflect that.
Quantum physics: at the same time, the black cat is likely to be there and it's likely it isn't. tomkawal
Theology - discussing the beliefs about black cat basing on the statements revealed.
Science - confronting the assumptions about black cat with the reality of its existence is fun!
Philosophy - the cat and the black definition, discuss the possibility of black cat perception.
Science - confronting the assumptions about black cat with the reality of its existence is fun!
Philosophy - the cat and the black definition, discuss the possibility of black cat perception.
I was in the dark room, seeking nothing, denying it was there anyway, when the cat pulled me out into the light, pulled off the blinders I didn't even realise I had on and revealed itself to be a lion.
the majority of people believe in things they cannot see (like god). but on the other hand, people do believe that there is oxygen around us all the time, though they cannot see it either. seriously, I think that these scientific/religious arguments don't lead us anywhere, it's stupid to make an adult change his or her views. Hah, a lot of still believe that 9/11 was a terrorism, so...
Ah yes, more of this "my way of thinking is superior to yours," bullshit, clearly written by someone with only the vaguest surface-level understanding of the topics they lambast.
Gotta love how Militant Atheism is the fastest growing RELIGION in the world.
"Anyone who thinks differently than me is stupid / wrong / infidel / going to hell" -- sound like any other group you know?
Have fun being amused by your own arrogant stupidity.
Gotta love how Militant Atheism is the fastest growing RELIGION in the world.
"Anyone who thinks differently than me is stupid / wrong / infidel / going to hell" -- sound like any other group you know?
Have fun being amused by your own arrogant stupidity.
is no one else concerned that there is a black cat out there somewhere that is able to use a flashlight?
Those fields require different senses to be used besides affirmed vision, hence the mention of dark room. Feeling, intuition, logic, motion, critical thinking are used. We don't understand how those processes work so we can't "prove" anything.
There is no black cat.
There is no dark room.
All.
Is.
Illusion.
-Buddhism
There is no dark room.
All.
Is.
Illusion.
-Buddhism
Absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. The idea that "the burden of proof is on those claiming there IS a cat" springs from the dogma of scientific thought and logic. Insisting this is every bit as much an article of faith as insisting that the Bible is the sole arbiter of reality.
And mathematics is not having to use a flashlight but still being able to find the cat? This is stupid
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